Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:39 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: [GT] Dedication tickets? Okay, I guess I'll start the ball rolling. We now have 37 people on the list. That should be enough to start. Ron Sasine mentioned that we may be able to get tickets to the dedication from the Temple Department in SLC. Does anyone know how to contact them? (BTW, if you reply to a message from the list, please be sure to reply TO THE LIST, not to the person who submitted the message.) Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: Katherine Tanner [Ktanner@fscnet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:46 AM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? Troy, I used to work in the Temple Department for Elder Abrea and could most likely get you any info you need about tickets, and possibly even reserve them if needed. Let me know what you'd like to find out. Katherine >>> 01/07 8:39 AM >>> Okay, I guess I'll start the ball rolling. We now have 37 people on the list. That should be enough to start. Ron Sasine mentioned that we may be able to get tickets to the dedication from the Temple Department in SLC. Does anyone know how to contact them? (BTW, if you reply to a message from the list, please be sure to reply TO THE LIST, not to the person who submitted the message.) Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org 1 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:56 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? [From Katherine Tanner:] Troy, I used to work in the Temple Department for Elder Abrea and could most likely get you any info you need about tickets, and possibly even reserve them if needed. Let me know what you'd like to find out. Katherine Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 9:05 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? I guess what we'd like to know is whether or not tickets are currently available, how many, and what we need to do to get some. Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Tanner [mailto:Ktanner@fscnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:46 AM > To: troy@youngs.org > Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? > > > Troy, I used to work in the Temple Department for Elder Abrea and > could most likely get you any info you need about tickets, and > possibly even reserve them if needed. > Let me know what you'd like to find out. > Katherine Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 9:23 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: [GT] Mailing list tips If you haven't been on a mailing list before, you can send a message to listinfo@youngs.org to receive a short list of tips that I put together. The most important one, and the easiest to forget, is to make sure that you address all replies to the mailing list (guay-trip@cleverly.com or guay-trip@youngs.org), NOT to the sender of the message you are replying to. Unless, of course, you REALLY only want that person to receive the message. In most cases, though, your reply will be of interest to the entire group, so you need to be sure to send it to the list. Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer 2 troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: Katherine Tanner [Ktanner@fscnet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:42 AM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com; troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? I just spoke with the key contact in the Temple Department for the temple dedications. He gave some interesting information regarding the dedication as follows: The tickets for dedication sessions are being distributed locally (we cannot acquire them through SLC, but only through Guayaquil). The process for us to request (and hopefully acquire ) them is for each of us individually to have our bishop write a letter to the vice-chairman indicating our temple worthiness and formally requesting (x) number of tickets, specifying which date and session we want. The vice-chairman to write to is: Luis Guillermo Granja Decima 122 y Boliva Colonia LaChala Guayaquil Ecuador I was informed that either the tickets will be sent to our bishops for him to sign and give to us, or they will be at a "will call" location. He also mentioned to me, without my asking, that the dates of the dedication have not officially been released. I told him that I had understood the dates to be May 22-24, and he said that the First Presidency has not released any dates and that may or may not be accurate. He said to look in the Church News in the next couple of weeks for the "official" announcement. Please let me know if you have questions. >>> 01/07 9:04 AM >>> I guess what we'd like to know is whether or not tickets are currently available, how many, and what we need to do to get some. Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Tanner [mailto:Ktanner@fscnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:46 AM > To: troy@youngs.org > Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? > > > Troy, I used to work in the Temple Department for Elder Abrea and > could most likely get you any info you need about tickets, and > possibly even reserve them if needed. > Let me know what you'd like to find out. > Katherine 3 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Barth, David [david.barth@lmco.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 1:01 PM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: RE: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? Does our Bishops have to know how to write in Spanish or is English okay? > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Tanner [SMTP:Ktanner@fscnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 12:42 PM > To: guay-trip@cleverly.com; troy@youngs.org > Subject: Re: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? > > I just spoke with the key contact in the Temple Department for the > temple dedications. He gave some interesting information regarding > the dedication as follows: > The tickets for dedication sessions are being distributed locally (we > cannot acquire them through SLC, but only through Guayaquil). The > process for us to request (and hopefully acquire ) them is for each of > us individually to have our bishop write a letter to the vice-chairman > indicating our temple worthiness and formally requesting (x) number of > tickets, specifying which date and session we want. The vice-chairman > to write to is: > Luis Guillermo Granja > Decima 122 y Boliva > Colonia LaChala > Guayaquil > Ecuador > > I was informed that either the tickets will be sent to our bishops > for him to sign and give to us, or they will be at a "will call" > location. > > He also mentioned to me, without my asking, that the dates of the > dedication have not officially been released. I told him that I had > understood the dates to be May 22-24, and he said that the First > Presidency has not released any dates and that may or may not be > accurate. He said to look in the Church News in the next couple of > weeks for the "official" announcement. > > Please let me know if you have questions. > > >>> 01/07 9:04 AM >>> > I guess what we'd like to know is whether or not tickets are > currently > available, how many, and what we need to do to get some. > > Troy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Katherine Tanner [mailto:Ktanner@fscnet.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:46 AM > > To: troy@youngs.org > > Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? > > > > > > Troy, I used to work in the Temple Department for Elder Abrea and > > could most likely get you any info you need about tickets, and > > possibly even reserve them if needed. > > Let me know what you'd like to find out. > > Katherine 4 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Katherine Tanner [Ktanner@fscnet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 1:23 PM To: david.barth@lmco.com; guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: RE: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? Either Hno. Granja knows enough English or there is someone working with him who does, because they say English is fine. Save your translating talents for another occasion! :) >>> "Barth, David" 01/07 1:01 PM >>> Does our Bishops have to know how to write in Spanish or is English okay? > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Tanner [SMTP:Ktanner@fscnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 12:42 PM > To: guay-trip@cleverly.com; troy@youngs.org > Subject: Re: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? > > I just spoke with the key contact in the Temple Department for the > temple dedications. He gave some interesting information regarding > the dedication as follows: > The tickets for dedication sessions are being distributed locally (we > cannot acquire them through SLC, but only through Guayaquil). The > process for us to request (and hopefully acquire ) them is for each of > us individually to have our bishop write a letter to the vice-chairman > indicating our temple worthiness and formally requesting (x) number of > tickets, specifying which date and session we want. The vice-chairman > to write to is: > Luis Guillermo Granja > Decima 122 y Boliva > Colonia LaChala > Guayaquil > Ecuador > > I was informed that either the tickets will be sent to our bishops > for him to sign and give to us, or they will be at a "will call" > location. > > He also mentioned to me, without my asking, that the dates of the > dedication have not officially been released. I told him that I had > understood the dates to be May 22-24, and he said that the First > Presidency has not released any dates and that may or may not be > accurate. He said to look in the Church News in the next couple of > weeks for the "official" announcement. > > Please let me know if you have questions. > > >>> 01/07 9:04 AM >>> > I guess what we'd like to know is whether or not tickets are > currently > available, how many, and what we need to do to get some. > > Troy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Katherine Tanner [mailto:Ktanner@fscnet.com] 5 > > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:46 AM > > To: troy@youngs.org > > Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? > > > > > > Troy, I used to work in the Temple Department for Elder Abrea and > > could most likely get you any info you need about tickets, and > > possibly even reserve them if needed. > > Let me know what you'd like to find out. > > Katherine Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Darwin N. Davis [darwindavis@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 1:55 PM To: troy@youngs.org Cc: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? Please place my wife and I on the list of those who want tickets to one of the dedication services... would love to be present for the special occasion. Dar and Sue Davis P.S. I also have heard that you need to have your Bishop write a letter on your Ward stationery a letter to the Temple Department stating that you currently hold a temple recommend and that you would like tickets to one of the Dedicatory Sessions.... they then send the tickets back to you Bishop and you get them from him. Does this sound correct? On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:39:12 -0700 troy@youngs.org writes: >Okay, I guess I'll start the ball rolling. We now have 37 people on >the >list. That should be enough to start. > >Ron Sasine mentioned that we may be able to get tickets to the >dedication >from the Temple Department in SLC. Does anyone know how to contact >them? > >(BTW, if you reply to a message from the list, please be sure to reply >TO >THE LIST, not to the person who submitted the message.) > >Troy Young >Ventana Corporation > Senior Software Engineer > troy@ventana.com >EcuaGuay Alumni Site > http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ > troy@youngs.org > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] 6 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Trevor Walton [trevor@panam-tours.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:03 PM To: 'guay-trip@cleverly.com' Subject: [GT] Flight Availability I have been working with the travel dates trying to find a way to have the flights better coordinate with the Temple Dedication dates. I was able to find flights on the dates that had priorly been closed (May 20, 21, 22). May 22 was not open (direct from Houston) as of last hour. The flights that are open go from Houston to Panama City and then on to Guayaquil. Since the layovers in Houston and Panama are fairly short, the arrival time is about the same as if you fly direct from Houston. The prices are the same. I would recommend, to those that have chosen the dates that they would like to travel, that you reserve space at your earliest convenience. We can generally hold space for at least one week. To do this, all we need are the names of those who will be traveling. No payment is required until a firm booking is made. Also, for those wanting to visit other areas in South America. We can make any land arrangements and flights to those countries. We have tour operators in every South and Central American country, each of which provides tours and transfers with English speaking guides (if you take your families with you. I know you all would get along fine without an English guide, ¿verdad?) Trevor Walton Executive Travel Counselor PanAmerican Travel Services 124 South 400 East Suite 250 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 Fax (801)364-4330 Phone (800)364-4359 E-mail: trevor@panam-tours.com Web: www.panam-tours.com Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:15 PM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? It sounds to me like we need to wait until the dates are officially announced. Then we need to get tickets individually through our bishops. This brings up another point: Do temples typically start operating immediately after the dedication, or do they take a couple of weeks (months?) to gear up? The reason I ask is, I'd like to see the inside of the temple, and the Open House is actually a better opportunity to do this. The ideal situation, though, would be to attend a dedicatory session, then attend a temple session after the dedication is done. Anyone with experience in this? Troy 7 > -----Original Message----- > From: Behalf Of Darwin N. Davis > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 1:55 PM > > P.S. I also have heard that you need to have your Bishop > write a letter > on your Ward stationery a letter to the Temple Department stating that > you currently hold a temple recommend and that you would like > tickets to > one of the Dedicatory Sessions.... they then send the tickets back > to you Bishop and you get them from him. Does this sound correct? Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 4:04 PM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Baldwin [mailto:jbaldwin@bcollect.com] > > Troy, > I could be wrong, but the dedication situations that I know of have > always preceeded the actual opening of the operations of the > temple by quite awhile. Usually there has to be a lot of work put > into the final preparations and staffing. Like I say, I could be > wrong, but it's what I've noticed. > Jeff > > > On 7 Jan 99, at 14:15, troy@youngs.org wrote: > > > It sounds to me like we need to wait until the dates are officially > announced. Then we need to get tickets individually through our > bishops. > > This brings up another point: Do temples typically start operating > immediately after the dedication, or do they take a couple of weeks > (months?) to gear up? The reason I ask is, I'd like to see the inside > of > the temple, and the Open House is actually a better opportunity to > do > this. The ideal situation, though, would be to attend a dedicatory > session, then attend a temple session after the dedication is done. 8 Troy Young From: Maria L Jones [maria.jones@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 5:54 PM To: troy@youngs.org Cc: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? I AM MARIA JONES NATURAL FROM GUAYAQUIL AND TODAY I CALLED THE TEMPLE'OFFICE AND SPOKE WITH BRO. JOHN HARDY WHO TOLD ME EXACTLY AS ONE OF YOU DID. TO ASK OUR BISHOP FOR A LETTER REGARDING OUR STATUS AS WORTHY MEMBERS. I WILL WRITE A LETTER IN SPANISH TO SEND ALONG WITH THE BISHOP'S . I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU AS FORMER MISSIONARIES BUT I WORKED FOR THE MISSION IN QUITO, WHEN PTE. JOHN HEWARD WAS THE MISSION PRESIDENT, THIS WAS MANY YEARS AGO I WAS NOT A MISSIONARY BUT HELP TO OPEN PRIMARIES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE COUNTRY.MY NAME WAS THEN MARIA DE LOURDES MARTINEZ AND WAS A MEMBER OF RAMA 4 AND RAMA 1 IN GUAYAQUIL . I HOPE TO SEE YOU IN ECUADOR AND PLEASE CONTINUE TO LET ME KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. CORDIALLY, MARIA DE LOURDES JONES ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 6:08 PM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? One more question for Katherine (or, rather, your contact in the Temple Dept.): I don't think it matters to most of us which date we attend, since we'll be travelling a long distance to get there, and probably staying for at least several days (if not weeks). Is it safe to assume that we can request tickets for any available session, rather than specifying one? If we do need to specify a session, will the official announcement indicate how many sessions there are each day, so that we can tell Bro. Granja which one we want? Thanks again, Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Tanner [mailto:Ktanner@fscnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:42 AM > > I just spoke with the key contact in the Temple Department for the > temple dedications. He gave some interesting information regarding > the dedication as follows: > The tickets for dedication sessions are being distributed locally (we > cannot acquire them through SLC, but only through Guayaquil). The > process for us to request (and hopefully acquire ) them is for each of > us individually to have our bishop write a letter to the vice-chairman > indicating our temple worthiness and formally requesting (x) number of > tickets, specifying which date and session we want. The vice-chairman > to write to is: > Luis Guillermo Granja > Decima 122 y Boliva > Colonia LaChala > Guayaquil 9 > Ecuador Troy Young From: Katherine Tanner [Ktanner@fscnet.com] Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 8:22 AM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com; troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? If it doesn't matter which session you attend, then there is no need to specify. I understand that the official announcement from the First Presidency will indicate the specific dates, times, numbers of sessions, etc. so you may know which session to request if you need to. Also, there was a question about how soon the Temple Sessions will begin after the dedication. I would think that the announcement will also include that information. >>> 01/07 6:07 PM >>> One more question for Katherine (or, rather, your contact in the Temple Dept.): I don't think it matters to most of us which date we attend, since we'll be travelling a long distance to get there, and probably staying for at least several days (if not weeks). Is it safe to assume that we can request tickets for any available session, rather than specifying one? If we do need to specify a session, will the official announcement indicate how many sessions there are each day, so that we can tell Bro. Granja which one we want? Thanks again, Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Tanner [mailto:Ktanner@fscnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:42 AM > > I just spoke with the key contact in the Temple Department for the > temple dedications. He gave some interesting information regarding > the dedication as follows: > The tickets for dedication sessions are being distributed locally (we > cannot acquire them through SLC, but only through Guayaquil). The > process for us to request (and hopefully acquire ) them is for each of > us individually to have our bishop write a letter to the vice-chairman > indicating our temple worthiness and formally requesting (x) number of > tickets, specifying which date and session we want. The vice-chairman > to write to is: > Luis Guillermo Granja > Decima 122 y Boliva > Colonia LaChala > Guayaquil > Ecuador 10 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Brad Lark [blark@bestpc.com] Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 4:54 AM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: [GT] locate Elder Long shot, but does anybody have an address or phone number, email for Elder Patricio Martinez? Served with me in Centenario in '84. I believe he was from Quito suburb. Just trying to catch up and say hello. Thanks Brad Lark Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:55 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: [GT] Mailing list archive For those of you who have joined us recently, you can get all of the messages that have been contributed so far by sending an e-mail message to listarchive@youngs.org (it doesn't matter what's in the Subject line or body of the message), or by going to http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/special/list.txt. Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: M. Robert Evans [rob_annette@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:27 AM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? Troy, Temples tend to close for anywhere from a week to a month after an open house to prepare for the dedication. As far as opening for ordinance work, it seems this takes place on average about a week or so after the dedication. But this is my impression, not anything official, so keep asking. Rob On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:15:07 -0700 troy@youngs.org writes: >It sounds to me like we need to wait until the dates are officially >announced. Then we need to get tickets individually through our >bishops. > >This brings up another point: Do temples typically start operating >immediately after the dedication, or do they take a couple of weeks 11 >(months?) to gear up? The reason I ask is, I'd like to see the inside >of the >temple, and the Open House is actually a better opportunity to do >this. The >ideal situation, though, would be to attend a dedicatory session, then >attend a temple session after the dedication is done. > >Anyone with experience in this? > >Troy ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:39 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? That was my impression, too. It would be nice if the same were true for the Guay temple. If not, then I'll probably try to plan my trip so that I can catch the tail end of the open house. Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Robert Evans [mailto:rob_annette@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:27 AM > To: troy@youngs.org > Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? > > > Troy, > Temples tend to close for anywhere from a week to a month > after an open > house to prepare for the dedication. As far as opening for ordinance > work, it seems this takes place on average about a week or so > after the > dedication. But this is my impression, not anything official, so keep > asking. > > Rob > > > On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:15:07 -0700 troy@youngs.org writes: > >It sounds to me like we need to wait until the dates are officially > >announced. Then we need to get tickets individually through our > >bishops. > > > >This brings up another point: Do temples typically start operating > >immediately after the dedication, or do they take a couple of weeks > >(months?) to gear up? The reason I ask is, I'd like to see > the inside > >of the > >temple, and the Open House is actually a better opportunity to do > >this. The > >ideal situation, though, would be to attend a dedicatory > session, then > >attend a temple session after the dedication is done. > > > >Anyone with experience in this? > > > >Troy 12 > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at > http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) > 654-JUNO [654-5866] > Troy Young From: Kevin Thomas [kthomas@infowest.com] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 11:38 AM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Dedication tickets? Troy, How many people do you think we have that are interested in going? What dates are we looking at? What cities are we looking at departing from? I have a friend in St. George, Utah that does group tours who might be able to help us get something solidified and with a good rate but we need this information to get a quote. Are you interested in this? Kevin Thomas kthomas@infowest.com Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 6:39 PM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: [GT] Travel Info Trevor just sent me a document that was too big for the mailing list, so I've removed the formatting and added it to this message. If you prefer the formatted (RTF) version, go to http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/special/travelinfo.rtf. Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org --- Guayaquil Temple Dedication Travel Information Guayaquil Hotels * Hostal Tangara The cheapest hotel near the Temple. It is located in the Ciudadela Bolivariana between Manuela Saenz street and O'leary in a residential area of the city. The Urdesa zone. The rooms have double or triple capacity, private bathroom, hot water, and air conditioning. It has a capacity of approximately 30 people. The living area of the Hostal has TV with cable. It is approximately a 3 star rating. Not top of the line, but not a bad choice for the price. Double room $29/person/night Triple room $21/person/night 13 * Hilton Colon in Guayaquil Located 5 minutes from the airport in Ecuador's financial district on Av. Francisco Orellana. It has 298 rooms and suites with cable TV, minibar and security boxes. There are 3 restaurants in the hotel and an outdoor swimming pool. Double room $190/night Single room $190/night * There are several other hotels at prices ranging between the Hilton and the Hostal. Tours * Salinas Beaches including lunch $400/person (based on 1 passenger) $231/person (based on 2 passengers) $176/person (based on 3 passengers) $168/person (based on 4 - 9 passengers) * Guayaquil Scenic tour $62/person (based on 1 passenger) $36/person (based on 2 passengers) $30/person (based on 3 passengers) $24/person (based on 4 - 9 passengers) $29/person (based on semi-private shuttle basis) * Combination City - Botanical Garden (6 1/2 hour tour w/o lunch) $203/person (based on 1 passenger) $113/person (based on 2 passengers) $106/person (based on 3 passengers) $98/person (based on 4 - 9 passengers and semi-private shuttle basis) Transfers * Taxi Prices for taxis are not expensive. Sometimes it is dangerous to take one, especially at night. * Private Transfer $50/person (only 1 passenger) $28/person (based on 2 passengers) $26/person (based on 3 passengers) $24/person (based on 4 - 9 passengers) * Semi-private service (shuttle) $24/person (independent of number of passengers) Quito Hotels * Hotel Sierra Madre Sierra Madre Hotel and Restaurant was completely renovated and restored in Gran Spanish Villa Style in 1922. Today this gracious villa, maintains its Old World charm with period furniture along with the finest Ecuadorian craftsmanship and art. In addition to other amenities and for the pleasure of our guests, Hotel Sierra Madre offers a restaurant and a cafe with a complete menu of traditional Ecuadorian and international cuisines. Each room offers a private bath, and all comforts and conveniences of a modern hotel. Single Room $46/person Double Room $34/person Triple Room $30/person * Hilton Colon in Quito Located between the colonial city and the modern city of Quito. 20 minutes from the International airport. It has 415 rooms and suites with air conditioning and double glazed windows. There are 3 restaurants and an outdoor swimming pool. Double room $153/night Single room $153/night 14 * Hotel Tambo Real Hotel Tambo Real is conveniently located in the heart of Quito's commercial, banking and tourist area. Across the street from the American Embassy. They have 72 luxurious rooms, 18 suites, all equipped with a color TV and a minibar. They offer 24-hour room service and a restaurant. Single Room $61/person Double Room $37/person Triple Room $31/person Tours * Quito Scenic Tour $27/person on private basis $15/person shuttle/group basis * Quito by Night $146/person (based on 1 passenger) $95/person (based on 2 passengers) $85/person (based on 3 passengers) $77/person (based on 4 - 9 passengers and semi-private shuttle basis) * Quito Scenic tour and Equatorial Monument $43/person on private basis $23/person shuttle/group basis * Full day Otavalo country show tour $143/person on private basis $113/person shuttle/group basis * Art Gallery Tour $51/person (based on 1 passenger) $29/person (based on 2 passengers) $21/person (based on 3 passengers) $16/person (based on 4 - 9 passengers and semi-private shuttle basis) * Ecuadorian Folklore Ballet (every Wednesday and Friday evening) $29/person (orchestra seating) $41/person (balcony seating) Transfers * Taxi Taxis are not very expensive. Prices are good and it is not dangerous to take anytime. You should always use precaution in taking them. * Private Transfer $41/person (based on 1 passenger traveling) $22/person (based on 2 passengers traveling) $19/person (based on 3 passengers traveling) $17/person (based on 4 - 9 passengers traveling) * Semi-Private Transfer (shuttle service) $13/person Riobamba Hotels * El Troje This hotel is located in the city of Riobamba, between Avenida Circunvalación and 1st Constituyente Street. It has a restaurant, indoor heated pool, tennis court and very comfortable rooms and suites. Double Room $30/person * Abraspungo This hotel is located 3 km in the Guano highway. It has an arquitectonic style from the country of Ecuador. There are 17 double rooms and 3 triple rooms. This hotel has a restaurant with Ecuadorian style food, a bar and a charming country environment. 15 Double Room $36/person * La Andaluza The Hostería La Andaluza is located 3 hours from Quito, Guayaquil and Cuenca. It has a beautiful view of the Chimborazo Volcano. There are: 36 rooms, 12 junior suites, a restaurant/cafeteria, gym and Jacuzzi. Double Room $50/person Ambato Hotels * Ambato No description provided Double Room $38/person Transportation inside Ecuador Rental Cars The rates vary a little based on company and location. Also, the rates are only guaranteed for 60-90 days depending upon the company. Rates at the Guayaquil airport (Hertz) range from $80 - 120 or more. Rates at Budget rent a car in Guayaquil range from $45 - 75 or more. Both rates depend upon the size of car that you prefer. The cheapest being an economy Geo Metro type car and the more expensive heading towards standard and above. Rates include unlimited mileage, which means there will be no extra charges based on how many miles you drive. Flights The cheapest rates that I can get on flights from Guayaquil to Quito (round trip) are $194/person. Our tour operator can book flights locally. She found the rate of $140/person round trip. One way flights are around $80 - 97 depending upon who books them. Flights are subject to change without previous notice until the tickets are ran. They are not based on a contract like the international flights are. Rail Our tour operator sent the following information regarding the rail to/from Quito and Guayaquil: "We do not sell any rail tickets from Guayaquil to Quito, for the regular train. We do not recommend this type of public transportation. It is not safe at all! We do offer a special rail program: Riobamba to Quito (2 days - 1 night). It runs with a minimum of 5 passengers, departing on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday." Prices were not sent for the 2 day rail program. I am inquiring of our operator. 16 Troy Young From: Charles Noe [ecuaboy98@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 10:07 PM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Travel Info Troy, As much as I would love to, I'm not going to be able to attend the dedication of the GT as planned. Please take me off of the mailing list. Thank you, Chuck Noe (ecuaboy98@yahoo.com) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Trevor Walton [trevor@panam-tours.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 1:22 PM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' (E-mail) Subject: [GT] FYI Troy, The prices for the two day rail to Quito, include the price for the 1 night hotel stay in Riobamba. Trevor Walton Executive Travel Counselor PanAmerican Travel Services 124 South 400 East Suite 250 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 Fax (801)364-4330 Phone (800)364-4359 E-mail: trevor@panam-tours.com Web: www.panam-tours.com 17 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Barth, David [david.barth@lmco.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 2:56 PM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: [GT] Ecuador Train Travel I've read the comments by Trevor Walton regarding Train Travel in Ecuador. His comments lead one to believe that we should only consider traveling on 'special' trains. It looks like he is going to get us prices for the train from Riobamba to Quito. I haven't seen the prices yet, have they been posted? I'm sure they are going to be high like the other tour prices he's quoted. When I say high, I mean taking a city tour of Guayaquil for $50/person or whatever it was seems high. I would think you could rent a taxis for the entire for less than that. Anyway what I wanted to ask from a more recent returned missionary than myself (1982 returned) is, is the train really dangerous? As a missionary I would catch it in Duran and ride it to Bucay. I always wanted to go further on to Riobamba or Quito. That way I could fly into Quay. and fly out of Quito. Comments on the train or tour prices??? David W. Barth Manager Mail Piece Recognition Systems Lockheed Martin 1801 State Rte 17C Owego, New York 13827 Tel:(607)751-6627 Fax:(607)751-3621 e-mail address: david.barth@lmco.com Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 4:45 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: [GT] Ecuador Train Travel > -----Original Message----- > From: Barth, David > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 2:56 PM > > I've read the comments by Trevor Walton regarding Train > Travel in Ecuador. > His comments lead one to believe that we should only consider > traveling on > 'special' trains. It looks like he is going to get us prices > for the train > from Riobamba to Quito. I haven't seen the prices yet, have they been > posted? I just posted the latest information on the website (http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/special/travelinfo.rtf). To get it e-mailed to you, send a message to travelinfo@youngs.org. Troy 18 Troy Young From: STEVEN.R.ESKELSEN@monsanto.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 8:28 PM To: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org Subject: Re: [GT] Ecuador Train Travel I am with Dave, when my group left Ecuador in 84, we rented a bus for a half a day for about $40 total (4000 sucs or 4 bucks a piece) and drove to MT. Chimborazo (from Riobamba). We had Hermana Carden, the worlds best barterer. By the way, did anyone feel cheated climatically (even those of us who did stints in the Sierra) when they saw/felt Quito? Of course we saw Quito as departing missionaries on tour and it happened to be during Carnaval. It was miserable to be drenched in Quito, it was cold. /19/1999 4:04 PM I've read the comments by Trevor Walton regarding Train Travel in Ecuador. His comments lead one to believe that we should only consider traveling on 'special' trains. It looks like he is going to get us prices for the train from Riobamba to Quito. I haven't seen the prices yet, have they been posted? I'm sure they are going to be high like the other tour prices he's quoted. When I say high, I mean taking a city tour of Guayaquil for $50/person or whatever it was seems high. I would think you could rent a taxis for the entire for less than that. Anyway what I wanted to ask from a more recent returned missionary than myself (1982 returned) is, is the train really dangerous? As a missionary I would catch it in Duran and ride it to Bucay. I always wanted to go further on to Riobamba or Quito. That way I could fly into Quay. and fly out of Quito. Comments on the train or tour prices??? David W. Barth Manager Mail Piece Recognition Systems Lockheed Martin 1801 State Rte 17C Owego, New York 13827 Tel:(607)751-6627 Fax:(607)751-3621 e-mail address: david.barth@lmco.com 19 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Lenore Choate [ml_choate@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 7:24 AM To: david.barth@lmco.com; guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Ecuador Train Travel I served in the Guayaquil South mission (returned Mar '98), so I never took the train to Quito, but from what I understand, travel between provinces is pretty safe if you go in the day. I did hear of a bus hijacking between Riobamba and Guayaquil, but they were travelling at night. I agree that the tour prices are really high. Taxis are much cheaper, you just have to be careful that you choose a newer car. They can be dangerous sometimes. I did hear of problems from time to time. We took taxis all the time, though, and never had a problem (of course we were protected sister missionaries, too.) Molly Choate >Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:55:57 -0500 >From: "Barth, David" >Subject: [GT] Ecuador Train Travel >To: "'guay-trip@youngs.org'" > >I've read the comments by Trevor Walton regarding Train Travel in Ecuador. His comments lead one to believe that we should only consider traveling on 'special' trains. It looks like he is going to get us prices for the train from Riobamba to Quito. I haven't seen the prices yet, have they been posted? I'm sure they are going to be high like the other tour prices he's quoted. When I say high, I mean taking a city tour of Guayaquil for $50/person or whatever it was seems high. I would think you could rent a taxis for the entire for less than that. Anyway what I wanted to ask from a more recent returned missionary than myself (1982 returned) is, is the train >really dangerous? As a missionary I would catch it in Duran and ride it to Bucay. I always wanted to go further on to Riobamba or Quito. That way I could fly into Quay. and fly out of Quito. Comments on the train or tour prices??? > >David W. Barth >Manager Mail Piece Recognition Systems >Lockheed Martin >1801 State Rte 17C >Owego, New York 13827 >Tel:(607)751-6627 Fax:(607)751-3621 >e-mail address: david.barth@lmco.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com 20 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Trevor Walton [trevor@panam-tours.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:43 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' (E-mail) Subject: [GT] Tours and Travel in Ecuador To all concerned travelers, I understand that the prices do seem high for transfers and tours. They seem high to me as well. Ecuador has always been an expensive country to visit. There has been no way around it up till now. A recommendation that I would have for those of you interested in saving money. All of the tours that we have mentioned are based on 1 - 9 people traveling, or on a sharing basis. When groups travel together, they get better discounts. With the air, thanks to our contract, that is not the case. What I would recommend is that those of you who know which tours you would like to take would group together for the tour. Just because you travel separate does not mean you can't take the tours together. It is just an idea on how to lower the price of the tours. I too served a foreign mission and know that taxi service is extremely cheap. I used taxi's during the day for short trips when my mom came to pick me up. If you can trust the taxi, that is great. In Honduras, where I served, there is no way to trust a taxi at night. Our operator did mention that the taxi service is good in Quito, but to be careful in Guayaquil. The concern for safety comes from our tour operator, who lives in Ecuador and knows the current conditions. They will not book the rail service, due to safety concerns. Our company president went on a trip to Ecuador about 2 months ago. He informed me that he saw demonstrations while he was there, due to the price increase on gasoline. Also, the new president is having some difficulty with the military, who owns much of the country. I understand your concerns and will do anything I can to help make the most of this return to your mission. It is something I have wanted to do as well. Our main concern is for your safety in travel. All tours and transfers include an English speaking guide who is specially certified with the government. All transfers include meet and greet service. The guide/driver will be awaiting your arrival and will assist you as you go through customs and gather your luggage. They will then drive you direct to the hotel and help you as you check into your hotel. They will also reconfirm your flights for you, to assure that everything flows as smoothly as possible. In many instances, they have someone waiting in line saving your spot so that you don't have to wait. The excerpt below was copied directly from the US state departments web site listed below. http://travel.state.gov/ecuador.html In 1997-1998, the cities of Quito and Guayaquil have experienced an increase in crimes such as armed robberies, assaults, and carjackings. Although crimes may be of a non-violent nature, such as pickpocketing, burglary of personal effects, or thefts from vehicles, thieves are often armed with guns and knives. The Ecuadoran government has increased police patrols in tourist areas, but travelers in resort areas along the coast and in Quito and Guayaquil should remain alert to their 21 surroundings and maintain constant control of purses, backpacks, and briefcases. Expensive appearing jewelry and watches should not be worn. In Quito, extreme caution should be taken in tourist areas and crowded marketplaces, especially on the crowded streets of south Quito, the Panecillo, Old Quito, and all transportation terminals. In early 1998, there were robberies against tourists at the Cotopaxi National Park and Parque Carolina. Travelers should not frequent the city parks (La Carolina, El Ejido, La Alameda) before dawn and after dark and should not go into the interior of these parks at any time. Other areas identified as dangerous for tourists are El Tejar, Parroquia San Sebastian, Mariscal Sucre, Avenida Cristobal Colon and Gonzalez Suarez. Backpackers are frequently targeted for criminal activity in Quito. In Guayaquil, extra caution should be taken when in the downtown section of the city (also known as Las Penas neighborhood) as well as while in the dock (El Malecon) and airport areas. Incidences of luggage thefts at the airport were reported in early 1998. Traffic accidents involving buses are frequent. Bus travel throughout Ecuador can be particularly dangerous, especially at night, because of the frequency of crimes perpetrated against travelers. The 1997-1998 El Nino weather phenomenon has caused road closures and bridge washouts and may necessitate delays and less direct road travel. Caution should be exercised to guard against theft of personal belongings on the trolleys in Quito. --------------- Our main concern is your safety and enjoyment while traveling throughout Ecuador. Trevor Walton Executive Travel Counselor PanAmerican Travel Services 124 South 400 East Suite 250 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 Fax (801)364-4330 Phone (800)364-4359 E-mail: trevor@panam-tours.com Web: www.panam-tours.com Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 10:41 AM To: ''Guayaquil Temple Trip List' (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [GT] Tours and Travel in Ecuador I was originally somewhat resistant to the idea of guided tours and "transfers", because I always imagined returning to Ecuador and experiencing it just how I did during my mission. I realize now, though, that this isn't possible for at least 3 reasons: 1) I will not be travelling with the same degree of divine protection that I enjoyed while I had the calling of a full-time missionary. 2) I don't have the same level of confidence in travelling in Ecuador, in terms of language, negotiating, and avoiding thieves. 3) I will be travelling with my wife (if I can talk her into it), who is intimidated by the whole idea, anyway, and certainly wouldn't enjoy hanging out the door of a colectivo racing down a packed dirt road at 60 mph as much as I would. 22 Just something to think about. I don't want to look back on this trip with remorse because someone was injured or killed due to a lack of judgement. This is one of the greatest events in my life. I hope it won't be marred by mishaps. Troy Troy Young From: Charles Noe [ecuaboy98@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:22 PM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: RE: [GT] Tours and Travel in Ecuador Troy, Hi. Could you please remove me from the GT mailing list. I emailed you earlier but I'm still getting messages from the group. Thank you, Chuck _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Troy Young From: M. Robert Evans [rob_annette@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:55 AM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Travel Info Troy, For those who are interested, two excellent sources of information on accomadations, transportation and sights to see in Ecuador are 1) Lonely Planet's "Travel Survival Kit" entitled Ecuador and the Galapagos Islands; and 2) The South American Handbook. Bear in mind that some of the less expensive hotels are still quite nice, clean and safe. These books not only list what is available but also provide comments from people that have stayed there recently. When I returned back in '91 I stayed in the Hotel Doral for two nights (not bad, but not great either) and the Hotel Palace for a night (quite nice, and at the time less expensive than the Doral, which back then ran @$28/night for a single. There should be no problem finding more than adequate accommadations using these guides, although for obvious reasons it is a good idea to have your first night booked for when you arrive. The flight Annette and I are reserving arrives at 11:45 PM--not a good time to try and find a suitable hotel. Also, Trevor mentioned some prices for plane travel between Quito and Guayaquil. The prices he gave are quite high, and if people don't mind buying the ticket the same day they travel, both TAME and San/Saeta have very reasonably priced fares for @$20-$30 each one-way. There are also flights to Cuenca, Machala and Portoviejo. I have flown TAME both during the mission and after, and they use 727's and are very nice. There are flights about every one to two hours during the day connecting Quito and Guayaquil. As for renting a car, when my parents picked me up in '90 we rented a Suzuki Forsa, which is about the same as a Geo Metro. We took that car everywhere, including on some dirt roads that purportedly linked Quito and Otavalo, so it had no problem getting around, including 12,000 foot passes. An added note for those who have a little extra time to stay in country--there is a beautiful bed and breakfast just outside of 23 Latacunga, a place called La Cienega. It was an old hacienda that is just beautiful with its private gardens, restaurant (good food!), and a commanding view of Cotopaxi. A perfect place for a second honeymoon or just a brief stay. Highly recommended. I hope this is helpful. The best help is found in those guides. I am so excited to return--Annette is excited too. Rob ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 9:42 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: Re: [GT] Travel Info -----Original Message----- From: M. Robert Evans [mailto:rob_annette@juno.com] Troy, For those who are interested, two excellent sources of information on accomadations, transportation and sights to see in Ecuador are 1) Lonely Planet's "Travel Survival Kit" entitled Ecuador and the Galapagos Islands; and 2) The South American Handbook. Bear in mind that some of the less expensive hotels are still quite nice, clean and safe. These books not only list what is available but also provide comments from people that have stayed there recently. When I returned back in '91 I stayed in the Hotel Doral for two nights (not bad, but not great either) and the Hotel Palace for a night (quite nice, and at the time less expensive than the Doral, which back then ran @$28/night for a single. There should be no problem finding more than adequate accommadations using these guides, although for obvious reasons it is a good idea to have your first night booked for when you arrive. The flight Annette and I are reserving arrives at 11:45 PM--not a good time to try and find a suitable hotel. Also, Trevor mentioned some prices for plane travel between Quito and Guayaquil. The prices he gave are quite high, and if people don't mind buying the ticket the same day they travel, both TAME and San/Saeta have very reasonably priced fares for @$20-$30 each one-way. There are also flights to Cuenca, Machala and Portoviejo. I have flown TAME both during the mission and after, and they use 727's and are very nice. There are flights about every one to two hours during the day connecting Quito and Guayaquil. As for renting a car, when my parents picked me up in '90 we rented a Suzuki Forsa, which is about the same as a Geo Metro. We took that car everywhere, including on some dirt roads that purportedly linked Quito and Otavalo, so it had no problem getting around, including 12,000 foot passes. An added note for those who have a little extra time to stay in country--there is a beautiful bed and breakfast just outside of Latacunga, a place called La Cienega. It was an old hacienda that is just beautiful with its private gardens, restaurant (good food!), and a commanding view of Cotopaxi. A perfect place for a second honeymoon or just a brief stay. Highly recommended. I hope this is helpful. The best help is found in those guides. I am so excited to return--Annette is excited too. Rob 24 Troy Young From: Xavier Rivera [firemansam_98@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:18 PM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: RE: [GT] Tours and Travel in Ecuador JUST A QUICK NOTE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE THE NEWSLETTERS AND SUCH THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED...I WILL BE UNABLE TO ATTEND THE DEDICATION BUT WILL BE IN ECUADOR FROM 3/99 - 4/99 VISITING MY IN LAWS. IF THEIR IS ANY LAST MINUTE DETAILS THAT I COULD RESOLVE FOR YOU LET ME KNOW AND I WILL SEE WHAT I CAN DO. I FEEL BAD ABOUT MISSING THE DEDICATION BUT MY TICKETS AND TIME OFF OF WORK WERE DONE WELL BEFORE I FOUND OUT THE EXACT DATE. I PLANNED FOR THESE MONTHS HOPING I WOULD HIT IT. LOOKS LIKE I WAS ONE MONTH OFF. OH WELL LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT I CAN DO TO HELP YOU OUT!! THANKS AGAIN SAM COLOVICH ---troy@youngs.org wrote: > > I was originally somewhat resistant to the idea of guided tours and > "transfers", because I always imagined returning to Ecuador and experiencing > it just how I did during my mission. I realize now, though, that this isn't > possible for at least 3 reasons: > > 1) I will not be travelling with the same degree of divine protection that I > enjoyed while I had the calling of a full-time missionary. > 2) I don't have the same level of confidence in travelling in Ecuador, in > terms of language, negotiating, and avoiding thieves. > 3) I will be travelling with my wife (if I can talk her into it), who is > intimidated by the whole idea, anyway, and certainly wouldn't enjoy hanging > out the door of a colectivo racing down a packed dirt road at 60 mph as much > as I would. > > Just something to think about. I don't want to look back on this trip with > remorse because someone was injured or killed due to a lack of judgement. > This is one of the greatest events in my life. I hope it won't be marred by > mishaps. > > Troy > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com 25 Troy Young From: M. Robert Evans [rob_annette@juno.com] Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 9:36 AM To: =SMTP:troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Travel Info Troy, Our plan, barring any changes in the dates when announced by the First Presidency, is to leave for Guay Wednesday the 19th, arriving that night at 11:45 and then leaving again on Sunday the 24th at about 10:30 PM. The Open House would be nice, but its the dedication that matters most to me, and we're hesitant to be away from our children any longer. Unfortunately, to do all that I would like takes about a week and a half. Our tentative plan takes us to Jipijapa and Portoviejo, Cuenca, Milagro, Guay (obviously) and if we can squeeze it in without being rediculous, Quito and Otavalo (for the Saturday morning market--a great experience). It's interesting--I was still pretty comfortable when I went back a year after returning from my mission, other than walking around Suburbio at twilight, but I am feeling a little more cautious since my wife Annette is coming. She did serve a mission in Brazil, but where she served was more like some of the poorer spots in southern Europe, like Greece, not like Guasmo, so she is sort of prepared, but then again she is a born traveller and is excited to see what it is I've been talking about all these years. Even so, I am debating my trip to Suburbio this time, or at least how to pursue it. Taxi's don't concern me. Crime has supposedly worsened since we left, but in which neighborhoods? A rental car is nice to get around in--very convenient and you don't have to worry about the driver, etc. but you do have to worry about theft, especially in Suburbio and Guasmo, etc. Really, Ecuador is such a friendly place and the people are basically good. We can always worry about the what if's, and should prepare ourselves against the obviously foolish situations, but should not let us miss out on a wonderful time. My parents, especially my Dad, interestingly, were more at ease in the Sierra, so if your wife does come, do go there to visit. I don't remember you serving in Cuenca or Loja. I'd be glad to do that together and show you around. Oh--and you need to take your wife to La Selvita (do you remember that restaurant in Pradera ward, just by the boundary with Centenario?). We are all going to have a great time. Rob On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:40:35 -0700 troy@youngs.org writes: >Thanks for the info. > >Say, what dates do you plan to be down there? The reason I ask is, I >feel >somewhat intimidated going down there after all these years, and it >would be >nice to have travel companions for a few days. > >I haven't officially convinced my wife to go yet, but I'm working on >it. I >am hoping to be there from 5/15 to 5/24, so that I can catch both the >open >house and the dedication. > >Thanks again, >Troy > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] 26 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of CTADBRINK@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 9:19 PM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: [GT] Plane tickets to guay I recently stumbled onto a website of a company that specialized in travel to South America. They had some really great fares to Guay so you might want to check it out. The website is traveland.com. I hope it might be helpful to anyone planning on a temple trip in May like myself. Can't wait for the big event. Carlitos Tad Brinkerhoff, Lafayette, IN. 765-477-2419 PS I left my heart in Pascuales. Anyone for a Ritmo reunion? Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 1:10 PM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: [GT] Traveling solo Okay, I am about to give up on convincing my wife to go w/ me to Ecuador, and my brother, who had hoped to go, probably can't. So, it raises a question: Are many of you planning on travelling alone? Frankly, that doesn't sound like much fun to me. Maybe we could use this list to coordinate groups. Not to be sexist, but I'd be particularly concerned about single young women traveling alone. It might be comforting to their parents to know that they're traveling w/ at least one other returned sister and at least one returned elder (pref. two or more). Any thoughts? I'm not afraid to travel alone, but I think that traveling in a small group would be more fun and safer. Troy Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:23 PM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: RE: [GT] Plane tickets to guay I'm a little confused by the company's site: It has a special rate from LA to Guay of $515, but when I used their Sabre service to get a quote, it was over $1,000. I am going to send an e-mail to them, describe our situation, and see what they can do. Frankly, I am still favoring PanAmerican (Trevor's company) because of the extra value they add in the way of hotel/travel info, but Traveland may be a suitable alternative for those of us who really must find the absolute cheapest rates. Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: CTADBRINK@aol.com 27 > Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 9:19 PM > > I recently stumbled onto a website of a company that > specialized in travel to > South America. They had some really great fares to Guay so > you might want to > check it out. The website is traveland.com. I hope it might > be helpful to > anyone planning on a temple trip in May like myself. Can't > wait for the big > event. > Carlitos Tad Brinkerhoff, Lafayette, IN. 765-477-2419 > PS I left my heart in Pascuales. Anyone for a Ritmo reunion? > Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of troy@youngs.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 3:58 PM To: guay-trip@cleverly.com Subject: [GT] List moved You should have just gotten a message from me telling you that the trip mailing list has been moved. If you didn't get that message, could you please let me know? Thanks, Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 4:08 PM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: Passport & Visa Could someone who has recently gone through the process of obtaining a passport and Ecuador Visa please reply to the list and briefly outline the steps? By the way, it looks like a good friend of mine (who served his mission in Japan) is going to try to make the trip with me. My previous comment that we could use this list to coordinate groups still stands. Is anyone currently planning on going alone? Also, is there anyone who is waiting to decide whether or not he/she is going to go based on the cost of air fare? Or has everyone alreadh decided one way or the other? Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org 28 Troy Young From: MICHAEL IGNACIO [mignaci@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 9:34 AM To: Troy Young Subject: Re: [GT] Traveling solo TT00002.txt From the Embarcadero Skydeck A view from atop the Embarcadero Skydeck, updated at one minute intervals. If the image doesn't update automatically, use your browser's Reload/Refresh button. The Gate | News | Sports | Entertainment | Weather | Traffic _____ Problems with this page? Contact support@sfgate.com Troy Young From: Laura Whitney [manerva@micron.net] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 5:54 PM To: Troy Young Subject: Re: [GT] Traveling solo Troy, Why won't your wife go? I am sorry I told my family too many adventure stories, because I may never get to go back. Laura Whitney Troy Young wrote: > Okay, I am about to give up on convincing my wife to go w/ me to Ecuador, > and my brother, who had hoped to go, probably can't. > > So, it raises a question: Are many of you planning on travelling alone? > Frankly, that doesn't sound like much fun to me. Maybe we could use this > list to coordinate groups. Not to be sexist, but I'd be particularly > concerned about single young women traveling alone. It might be comforting > to their parents to know that they're traveling w/ at least one other > returned sister and at least one returned elder (pref. two or more). > > Any thoughts? I'm not afraid to travel alone, but I think that traveling in > a small group would be more fun and safer. > > Troy 29 Troy Young From: owner-guay-trip@ldsmissions.org on behalf of Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 3:37 PM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: [GT] Updated list info For more information on how to use this mailing list, send an e-mail message to listinfo@youngs.org. Those of you who have been on the list for a while already know about this, but I have updated the information now that the list has been moved to my server. Thanks, Troy Troy Young From: MICHAEL IGNACIO [mignaci@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 9:39 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: Passport & Visa NO VISA REQUIRED. when you get to an ecuairport they give you an entrance stamp valid for 90 days. look in the phonebook for pass inquires if you don't already have one...read ya later...Michael Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 3:39 PM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: Updated List Info [Oops...I accidentally sent this to the wrong server. Sorry if you got it twice.] For more information on how to use this mailing list, send an e-mail message to listinfo@youngs.org. Those of you who have been on the list for a while already know about this, but I have updated the information now that the list has been moved to my server. Thanks, Troy 30 Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 6:07 AM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: Vaccinations Another question for anyone who has travelled to Ecuador recently: What vaccinations did you get before going? There is some good information at http://www.wtgonline.com/data/ecu/ecu.asp (go to the Health section) that talks about it My guess is that you would need vaccination against Yellow Fever, Malaria, and Hepatitis (the beloved gamma globulin shot) at least. It says that the Cholera vaccination isn't necessarily recommended, since it may not be effective. Troy Troy Young From: M. Robert Evans [rob_annette@juno.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:09 AM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: [GT] Travel Info Troy, I spoke to Tamar Pazmino Jean last night and she indicated that her mother's ward (Barrio Inaquito in Quito) has been assigned a date, May 23rd, to attend a dedicatory session. So although the First Presidency has not announced a date officially, it sounds like the May 22-24 dates you gave earlier are pretty much secure. That's what's being planned on down there. I suppose a last minute problem with completion or permits or something might mess this up, but the plan seems firm. Rob ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Troy Young From: Kevin Thomas [kthomas@infowest.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 4:09 PM To: Troy Young Subject: Re: [GT] Traveling solo I'm glad to hear of others wanting to group up. We had a new baby in November and my wife will not be going but I would still like to but don't want to go alone. I've been calling my old companions to solicite others. I'm open to go with a group. My ideas are going for at least 8 days where I could get two sundays in. I'd like to visit Guayaquil, Babahoyo, Manta, Otavalo and Machupichu in Peru if I can round up enough money. I live in Hurricane, Utah so would likely leave from the Las Vegas or Salt Lake Airports. Kevin Thomas kthomas@infowest.com ---------- > From: Troy Young 31 > To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List > Subject: [GT] Traveling solo > Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 1:09 PM > > Okay, I am about to give up on convincing my wife to go w/ me to Ecuador, > and my brother, who had hoped to go, probably can't. > > So, it raises a question: Are many of you planning on travelling alone? > Frankly, that doesn't sound like much fun to me. Maybe we could use this > list to coordinate groups. Not to be sexist, but I'd be particularly > concerned about single young women traveling alone. It might be comforting > to their parents to know that they're traveling w/ at least one other > returned sister and at least one returned elder (pref. two or more). > > Any thoughts? I'm not afraid to travel alone, but I think that traveling in > a small group would be more fun and safer. > > Troy > Troy Young From: Pat Pritchett [PPritchett@inet-1.com] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 4:57 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: Passport & Visa Troy, I am the daughter of President James Avril Jesperson who was a President in Quay in 1982-86. He is now 84 years old and he and my mother are planing to travel for the dedication. Don't know if he was your President but if you run across someone that was under him let them know. Passports are easy to obtain if you stary RIGHT NOW. Go to the Post Office and they will either have the form or can tell you which Post Office does. You fill it out and follow the instructions very carefully and be sure and give the dates you are traveling for a week before and a week after you actually plan to be there. Pay your money and they will tell you how to get a VISA if it is necessary just for traveling as a vacationer. If you do not do it NOW you may not get one as it takes 6 to 9 weeks to get one in the off peak time and longer during the peak which is March through August. There is no short cut unless it is a death or medical emergency. Pat Pritchett Troy Young wrote: > > Could someone who has recently gone through the process of obtaining a > passport and Ecuador Visa please reply to the list and briefly outline the > steps? > > By the way, it looks like a good friend of mine (who served his mission in > Japan) is going to try to make the trip with me. My previous comment that we > could use this list to coordinate groups still stands. Is anyone 32 currently > planning on going alone? > > Also, is there anyone who is waiting to decide whether or not he/she is > going to go based on the cost of air fare? Or has everyone alreadh decided > one way or the other? > > Troy Young > Ventana Corporation > Senior Software Engineer > troy@ventana.com > EcuaGuay Alumni Site > http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ > troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: Xavier Rivera [firemansam_98@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 8:00 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: Vaccinations Troy, In regards to your question about vaccinations I have traveled to Ecuador many times since coming home in 91 and have yet to have any vaccinations on my return trips I have also taken my children and they have been fine. A little diarreah but that usually clears up after a couple of days. Just take some insect repellent for mosquitos and just becareful of where you stay and what you eat. They have made many improvements and have all kinds of bottled waters now they also have conveneince stores and improved bus routes between the cities. Many buses show movies in route and that sort of thing. They have made many advances in all areas of life. I am sure you will be surprised!! Take care Sam Colovich PS My offer is still good about doing anything to help you or anyone else out on their trip. Just let me know ---Troy Young wrote: > > Another question for anyone who has travelled to Ecuador recently: What > vaccinations did you get before going? > > There is some good information at http://www.wtgonline.com/data/ecu/ecu.asp > (go to the Health section) that talks about it > > My guess is that you would need vaccination against Yellow Fever, Malaria, > and Hepatitis (the beloved gamma globulin shot) at least. It says that the > Cholera vaccination isn't necessarily recommended, since it may not be > effective. > > Troy > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com 33 Troy Young From: Barth, David [david.barth@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 6:10 AM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: RE: Vaccinations For the information of the group a travel book that I have indicates that if you enter Ecuador from Peru you will need to have a Yellow Fever shot. If anybody is planning on seeing Machu Pichu on the way to Guayaquil, you might want to look into this a little more. Also the book recommends the peanut butter shot we all got in the MTC, gamma glubulin (sp?). David Barth > -----Original Message----- > From: Xavier Rivera [SMTP:firemansam_98@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 10:00 PM > To: guay-trip@youngs.org > Subject: Re: Vaccinations > > > Troy, > In regards to your question about vaccinations I have traveled to > Ecuador many times since coming home in 91 and have yet to have any > vaccinations on my return trips I have also taken my children and they > have been fine. A little diarreah but that usually clears up after a > couple of days. Just take some insect repellent for mosquitos and > just becareful of where you stay and what you eat. They have made > many improvements and have all kinds of bottled waters now they also > have conveneince stores and improved bus routes between the cities. > Many buses show movies in route and that sort of thing. They have > made many advances in all areas of life. I am sure you will be > surprised!! > Take care > Sam Colovich > > PS My offer is still good about doing anything to help you or anyone > else out on their trip. Just let me know > > > > > ---Troy Young wrote: > > > > Another question for anyone who has travelled to Ecuador recently: > What > > vaccinations did you get before going? > > > > There is some good information at > http://www.wtgonline.com/data/ecu/ecu.asp > > (go to the Health section) that talks about it > > > > My guess is that you would need vaccination against Yellow Fever, > Malaria, > > and Hepatitis (the beloved gamma globulin shot) at least. It says > that the > > Cholera vaccination isn't necessarily recommended, since it may not be > > effective. > > > > Troy > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? 34 > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Troy Young From: Trevor Walton [trevor@panam-tours.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 9:01 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' (E-mail) Subject: Travel Information Troy, Regarding vaccinations and passports. It sounds like everyone has provided the information necessary regarding vaccinations and passport info. The post office is the place to go for passports. No visa requirements. Regarding vaccinations, it is recommended that you contact your physician regarding current recommended vaccinations. It is generally recommended to receive the Malaria and Yellow Fever vaccinations. The gamma globulin shot (peanut butter) has been replaced by a series of Hepatitis shots that are now available. The new missionaries do not have to go through the joy that most of us had. Before looking into that shot, I would contact your physician, as it does not show up as a required vaccination. Travel from other countries into Peru generally requires a yellow fever vaccination, as David Barth mentioned. Documentation (on hand) is required in order to be allowed in the country. Trevor Walton Executive Travel Counselor PanAmerican Travel Services 124 South 400 East Suite 250 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 Fax (801)364-4330 Phone (800)364-4359 E-mail: trevor@panam-tours.com Web: www.panam-tours.com Troy Young From: Nathan Martin [elgavacho@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:08 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Guay trip I served from 93-95 and have been back 3 times since. It is NOT necessary to get a Visa, all that is required is a Passport. I just talked to my wife last night, (she's from Guayaquil and is visiting her family in Guay right now), she said that the temple is awesome and that all is going well. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com 35 Troy Young From: Rina Tabango [rinatabango@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 12:04 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: How many peoles are going too Gyq? I would like to know how many peoples have plans to go too Ecuador because I have a friend who is working in Continental aerline and he can get for us tickets for $400 , he is marride with ecuatorian girl and them always have trips by this price , . Rina ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Troy Young From: Kevin Thomas [kthomas@infowest.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 4:12 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: Passport & Visa I checked into the need for a VISA with a travel agency in St. George, Utah and they told me that it is not necessary to get a VISA for Ecuador or Peru as long as you have valid travel papers which outline your trip with return dates. You can stay up to 90 days that way without a VISA. A passport is however required to leave the country. I believe you can get an application for that at your county offices. You will need two passport photos and a birth certificate to apply. No vaccinations are required but they're a good idea. Kevin Thomas ---------- > From: troy@youngs.org > To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' > Subject: Passport & Visa > Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 4:08 PM > > Could someone who has recently gone through the process of obtaining a > passport and Ecuador Visa please reply to the list and briefly outline the > steps? > > By the way, it looks like a good friend of mine (who served his mission in > Japan) is going to try to make the trip with me. My previous comment that we > could use this list to coordinate groups still stands. Is anyone currently > planning on going alone? > > Also, is there anyone who is waiting to decide whether or not he/she is > going to go based on the cost of air fare? Or has everyone alreadh decided > one way or the other? > > Troy Young > Ventana Corporation > Senior Software Engineer > troy@ventana.com > EcuaGuay Alumni Site > http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ > troy@youngs.org > > 36 Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:18 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: How many peoles are going too Gyq? ...also, is that $400 to fly from Miami to Guayaquil, or could we fly out of Utah or Arizona? If it's only from Miami, then it might not be such a great deal, since it costs a lot to get to Miami. Thanks again, Troy Troy Young From: Troy Young [Troy.Young@Ventana.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 8:54 AM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: List test This is a test to make sure that the mailing list is working again. If you submitted any questions or comments during the past 24 hours and they didn't come back to you, please submit them again. Thanks, Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: Robin Ables [Robin_Ables@ccsn.nevada.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 12:46 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Temple Trip Hi, My son Elder Ables is currently serving in Guayaquil but, will be home on April 5th. He wants some information about flights and costs to return for the dedication please. Robin Ables 37 Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:41 PM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: Questionnaire I'd like to get a better idea of how many people are planning to Guayaquil for the Temple open house and/or dedication. Could you please answer the questions below and return them to me? (Be sure to reply to troy@youngs.org, NOT guay-trip@youngs.org.) I will compile the results and distribute them to the list. 1) On a scale of 1 to 5, how likely are you to travel to Guayaquil for the dedication/open house (1 = Not going, 5 = Already have flight reserved)? 2) How many do you expect to be in your party? 3) How many nights do you plan to stay? 4) Do you have your itinerary planned out already? If so, when do you plan to travel? 5) Any other comments? Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: Galen Sorensen [Galen.Sorensen@gte.net] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:51 AM To: guay-trip Subject: travel through continental My Dad has decided to go down with me for the open house and also to see my fiance. We bought our tickets through Morris Travel. Continental was the best airline from SL-Houston-Ecuador. We will be down there from the 8th-15th of May. Our tickets were $770 roundtrip on a cod nonrefundable basis.They gave us a few days to pay the money and it seemed like a pretty good deal considering that I had to pay over $800 when I went down there in october. All deals are on a seat availability basis and depends on what dates you plan on flying down to Ecuador. Continental was also the best mode of travel when I went down there last october. 38 Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 5:02 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: travel through continental That's not a bad price, but many of us (about 30 so far) have reserved flights through Trevor Walton of PanAmerican. Rates are posted on the website, but to summarize, flights from Utah are about $670 and flights from Arizona are only $620. By the way, I contacted TraveLand by phone and e-mail and haven't heard back from them. Considering the prompt service and extra footwork we've gotten from Trevor, I think PanAmerican is a better choice than TraveLand, even if TraveLand turns out to be a few bucks cheaper. However, as always, if you find a better deal, please let me know. Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: Galen Sorensen [mailto:Galen.Sorensen@gte.net] > Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:51 AM > > > Our tickets > were $770 roundtrip on a cod nonrefundable basis.They gave us > a few days to pay the > money and it seemed like a pretty good deal considering that > I had to pay over $800 when > I went down there in october. > Troy Young From: Laura Whitney [manerva@micron.net] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 7:32 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: travel through continental Is that $620 each way or round trip? Laura Whitney troy@youngs.org wrote: > That's not a bad price, but many of us (about 30 so far) have reserved > flights through Trevor Walton of PanAmerican. Rates are posted on the > website, but to summarize, flights from Utah are about $670 and flights from > Arizona are only $620. > > By the way, I contacted TraveLand by phone and e-mail and haven't heard back > from them. Considering the prompt service and extra footwork we've gotten > from Trevor, I think PanAmerican is a better choice than TraveLand, even if > TraveLand turns out to be a few bucks cheaper. > > However, as always, if you find a better deal, please let me know. > > Troy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Galen Sorensen [mailto:Galen.Sorensen@gte.net] 39 > > Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:51 AM > > > > > > Our tickets > > were $770 roundtrip on a cod nonrefundable basis.They gave us > > a few days to pay the > > money and it seemed like a pretty good deal considering that > > I had to pay over $800 when > > I went down there in october. > > Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 1:05 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: travel through continental That's round trip from Arizona. Here's the information Trevor that sent to me, and that I posted on the website: --- Our bulk rates are as follows: Utah/California/Nevada $670.40/person Los Angeles $655.40/person Arizona/Colorado $620.40/person Idaho is not listed on our bulk rates. They would need to find the cheapest flight to Salt Lake and then pay the applicable Salt Lake fare --- I have been tracking the lowest fares to Guayaquil for over two years now (using expedia.msn.com), and I've never seen a fare below $700 from Arizona. The lowest I've seen during the past year has been about $780, and that's unusually. Usually the best I can find is over $800. The lowest fares usually are from Continental, American, Copa, and Ecuatoriana. Troy ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Whitney To: Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 2:32 AM Subject: Re: travel through continental >Is that $620 each way or round trip? 40 Troy Young From: Laura Whitney [manerva@micron.net] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 11:41 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: travel through continental Thanks Troy. My your up late. Laura Whitney Troy Young wrote: > That's round trip from Arizona. > > Here's the information Trevor that sent to me, and that I posted on the > website: > --- > Our bulk rates are as follows: > Utah/California/Nevada $670.40/person > Los Angeles $655.40/person > Arizona/Colorado $620.40/person > > Idaho is not listed on our bulk rates. They would need to > find the cheapest flight to Salt Lake and then pay the > applicable Salt Lake fare > --- > I have been tracking the lowest fares to Guayaquil for over two years now > (using expedia.msn.com), and I've never seen a fare below $700 from Arizona. > The lowest I've seen during the past year has been about $780, and that's > unusually. Usually the best I can find is over $800. The lowest fares > usually are from Continental, American, Copa, and Ecuatoriana. > > Troy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Laura Whitney > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 2:32 AM > Subject: Re: travel through continental > > >Is that $620 each way or round trip? Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 2:41 AM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: Trip Checklist I am planning to create a simple checklist that anyone traveling to Guayaquil can follow. These are the steps that I am taking (or have taken). I will modify them to make them more general: [X] Make tentative flight reservation w/ Trever (or your travel agent) [X] Get letter from Bishop on ward letterhead to request tickets [X] Renew passport (or get new passport if your last one was issued more than 12 years ago) [ ] See doctor to get recommended vaccinations [ ] Make hotel reservations (at least for first 3 nights or so) [ ] Request vacation time from employer Anything I'm missing? Thanks, 41 Troy Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 2:57 AM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: Temple Dates Mark Madsen gave me some information that conflicts slightly with what we've been assuming: "I called the church office building and talked with a guy named 'Coke Sewell' and he gave me the official dates of the dedication. He told me May 22 would be the first session depending on estimations on attendence they would make the following session plans. The open house will only be for a week. One week and a half in advance. And the temple will be open for work one week after the dedication." We were expecting the open house to last for two weeks (May 1-15), and assumed that there would definitely be dedicatory sessions all three days (May 22-24). Could someone verify these dates? (Katherine?) Also, if it is true that the number of dedicatory sessions that will be held depends on attendance estimates, then we should all get our letters to Hno. Granja ASAP. If the temple really opens for work one week after the dedication, then I may want to rearrange my travel plans so that I can attend both a dedicatory session and an endowment session, instead of the open house. Troy Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 1:10 PM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: Oops...duplicate e-mails I just had to shut down and restart the list server, so I think you may have received some duplicate messages. Sorry about that--just delete them. Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org 42 Troy Young From: Barth, David [david.barth@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 6:02 AM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: RE: Trip Checklist Some people might want to reserve a rental car. Has the exact dates of the dedication been announced? The Iast official word that I heard by this group stated that the official dates would be posted in the Church News. Has that happened or are people making reservations based on the May 24th time frame published here early? Please let me know because my Church News lags about 1 - 2 weeks here in the east. Also I wanted to ask if anyone out there is looking for a traveling partner, one to share expenses with. My wife can't come and I really don't want to travel alone. David Barth > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Young [SMTP:troy@youngs.org] > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 4:41 AM > To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List > Subject: Trip Checklist > > I am planning to create a simple checklist that anyone traveling to > Guayaquil can follow. These are the steps that I am taking (or have > taken). > I will modify them to make them more general: > > [X] Make tentative flight reservation w/ Trever (or your travel agent) > [X] Get letter from Bishop on ward letterhead to request tickets > [X] Renew passport (or get new passport if your last one was issued more > than 12 years ago) > [ ] See doctor to get recommended vaccinations > [ ] Make hotel reservations (at least for first 3 nights or so) > [ ] Request vacation time from employer > > Anything I'm missing? > > Thanks, > Troy Troy Young From: Katherine Tanner [Ktanner@fscnet.com] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:33 AM To: troy@youngs.org Subject: Re: RE: [GT] Dedication tickets? I agree that it doesn't sound right - the "Boliva," yet that is the way that it was spelled out to me. I'll make a follow up phone call this morning to verify and get back to you. kt >>> "Troy Young" 01/30 2:28 AM >>> Katherine, Could you please verify the address you gave me for Hno. Granja? "Boliva" doesn't sound right--could it be Bolivar? Thanks, Troy --- 43 Luis Guillermo Granja Decima 122 y Boliva Colonia LaChala Guayaquil Ecuador Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:40 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: Trip Checklist > -----Original Message----- > From: Barth, David [mailto:david.barth@lmco.com] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 6:02 AM > > Some people might want to reserve a rental car. > Has the exact dates of the dedication been announced? The At this point, we're making tentative reservations, pending the official announcement. As soon as the official announcement is made, it will be posted to this mailing list. > Also I wanted to ask if anyone out there is looking for a > traveling partner, > one to share expenses with. My wife can't come and I really > don't want to > travel alone. There will be a lot of others in the same boat. You can use this mailing list to arrange travelling groups. Noone should worry about travelling alone--there are plenty of others to group up with. Troy Troy Young From: Robin Ables [Robin_Ables@ccsn.nevada.edu] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:06 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: Trip Checklist Thanks for all your help and your check lists. It's all so great!!! Robin Ables Troy Young wrote: > > I am planning to create a simple checklist that anyone traveling to > Guayaquil can follow. These are the steps that I am taking (or have taken). > I will modify them to make them more general: > > [X] Make tentative flight reservation w/ Trever (or your travel agent) > [X] Get letter from Bishop on ward letterhead to request tickets > [X] Renew passport (or get new passport if your last one was issued more > than 12 years ago) > [ ] See doctor to get recommended vaccinations > [ ] Make hotel reservations (at least for first 3 nights or so) > [ ] Request vacation time from employer > > Anything I'm missing? > > Thanks, > Troy 44 Troy Young From: Robin Ables [Robin_Ables@ccsn.nevada.edu] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:16 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: Trip Checklist Troy, My son Rick is still in Guayaquil serving his mission. He will be home on April 5th. He is the one going on this Temple trip. Does he get a letter from his Mission Pres to request tickets and then what?? I sent him the brother's name that is in charge of the tickets in Guayaquil that was posted. Robin Ables Troy Young wrote: > > I am planning to create a simple checklist that anyone traveling to > Guayaquil can follow. These are the steps that I am taking (or have taken). > I will modify them to make them more general: > > [X] Make tentative flight reservation w/ Trever (or your travel agent) > [X] Get letter from Bishop on ward letterhead to request tickets > [X] Renew passport (or get new passport if your last one was issued more > than 12 years ago) > [ ] See doctor to get recommended vaccinations > [ ] Make hotel reservations (at least for first 3 nights or so) > [ ] Request vacation time from employer > > Anything I'm missing? > > Thanks, > Troy Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:15 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: Trip Checklist Hmm. That's a good question. Frankly, it would probably be easier for him to get tickets than us, since he's right there in Guay already. I don't see any reason why his mission president couldn't request the ticket for him, and then either give it to him when he comes home, or mail them. Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Ables [mailto:Robin_Ables@ccsn.nevada.edu] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:16 AM > > My son Rick is still in Guayaquil serving his mission. He > will be home > on April 5th. He is the one going on this Temple trip. Does he get a > letter from his Mission Pres to request tickets and then > what?? I sent > him the brother's name that is in charge of the tickets in Guayaquil > that was posted. 45 Troy Young From: Tewalt, Ann, Chaplain [tewalta@gillem- emh1.army.mil] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:31 AM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: RE: Trip Checklist How do we get tickets? > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Young [SMTP:troy@youngs.org] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 1:15 PM > To: guay-trip@youngs.org > Subject: RE: Trip Checklist > > Hmm. That's a good question. Frankly, it would probably be easier for him > to > get tickets than us, since he's right there in Guay already. I don't see > any > reason why his mission president couldn't request the ticket for him, and > then either give it to him when he comes home, or mail them. > > Troy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robin Ables [mailto:Robin_Ables@ccsn.nevada.edu] > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:16 AM > > > > My son Rick is still in Guayaquil serving his mission. He > > will be home > > on April 5th. He is the one going on this Temple trip. Does he get a > > letter from his Mission Pres to request tickets and then > > what?? I sent > > him the brother's name that is in charge of the tickets in Guayaquil > > that was posted. Troy Young From: Tewalt, Ann, Chaplain [tewalta@gillem- emh1.army.mil] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:32 AM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: RE: Trip Checklist Thanks from me too. ANN > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Ables [SMTP:Robin_Ables@ccsn.nevada.edu] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 1:06 PM > To: guay-trip@youngs.org > Subject: Re: Trip Checklist > > Thanks for all your help and your check lists. It's all so great!!! > > Robin Ables > > Troy Young wrote: > > > > I am planning to create a simple checklist that anyone traveling to > > Guayaquil can follow. These are the steps that I am taking (or have > taken). > > I will modify them to make them more general: > > > > [X] Make tentative flight reservation w/ Trever (or your travel agent) > > [X] Get letter from Bishop on ward letterhead to request tickets > > [X] Renew passport (or get new passport if your last one was issued 46 more > > than 12 years ago) > > [ ] See doctor to get recommended vaccinations > > [ ] Make hotel reservations (at least for first 3 nights or so) > > [ ] Request vacation time from employer > > > > Anything I'm missing? > > > > Thanks, > > Troy Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:27 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: Trip Checklist > -----Original Message----- > From: Tewalt, Ann, Chaplain [mailto:tewalta@gillem-emh1.army.mil] > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:31 AM > > How do we get tickets? Have your bishop write a letter to the following address, stating your temple worthiness and requesting how ever many tickets you need: Luis Guillermo Granja Decima 122 y Boliva Colonia LaChala Guayaquil Ecuador If you've joined the mailing list recently and want an archive of all of the messages sent so far, send an e-mail message to listarchive@youngs.org (it doesn't matter what you put in the Subject and body of the message). Troy Troy Young From: Barth, David [david.barth@lmco.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:58 AM To: 'guay-trip@youngs.org' Subject: Interesting Vistazo Article on the Guay. Temple The Vistazo had a feature ariticle on the Temple and church recently. If anyone is interested in reading it (its in Spanish) it can be viewed at http://www4.vistazo.com.ec/752/htm/gente2.htm David Barth 47 Troy Young From: Joseph M. Udall [jmudall@futureone.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:01 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: Trip Checklist Please remove me from the Guay-Trip group. I am unable to find the email that says how to do it autormatically. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: troy@youngs.org [SMTP:troy@youngs.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:27 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: Trip Checklist << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> Troy Young From: Laura Whitney [manerva@micron.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 3:47 PM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: Re: travel through continental Well, thanks to Panam Tours and Trevor Walton, we have found a way to return to Ecuador, without selling the house. Thanks to whomever put these contacts on this website. My heart is full. We'll be going down on May 17 - 25. Hopefully the dedication will take place while we are there. I thought it was interesting to read about insurance to get your remains home, in case of an accident. Laura Whitney (McDonald 84-85/Berge's era) troy@youngs.org wrote: > That's not a bad price, but many of us (about 30 so far) have reserved > flights through Trevor Walton of PanAmerican. Rates are posted on the > website, but to summarize, flights from Utah are about $670 and flights from > Arizona are only $620. > > By the way, I contacted TraveLand by phone and e-mail and haven't heard back > from them. Considering the prompt service and extra footwork we've gotten > from Trevor, I think PanAmerican is a better choice than TraveLand, even if > TraveLand turns out to be a few bucks cheaper. > > However, as always, if you find a better deal, please let me know. > > Troy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Galen Sorensen [mailto:Galen.Sorensen@gte.net] > > Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:51 AM > > > > > > Our tickets > > were $770 roundtrip on a cod nonrefundable basis.They gave us > > a few days to pay the > > money and it seemed like a pretty good deal considering that > > I had to pay over $800 when 48 > > I went down there in october. > > Troy Young From: Kimball Shill [KShill@10fold.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:55 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: Trip Checklist Joe, Your not going to guayaquil? It would be greate to see a familiar face. Kimball Shill >>> "Joseph M. Udall" 02/02 10:00 AM >>> Please remove me from the Guay-Trip group. I am unable to find the email that says how to do it autormatically. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: troy@youngs.org [SMTP:troy@youngs.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:27 AM To: guay-trip@youngs.org Subject: RE: Trip Checklist << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> Troy Young From: Trevor Walton [trevor@panam-tours.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:45 PM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' (E-mail) Subject: Additional Fare Changes Attention Traveler's, We received another addendum to our Continental Contract. The only part of the addendum that deals with flights to Ecuador are the rates from Newark. The rates have gone up $30 for all of those traveling from Newark. The only way to avoid the rate increase is to pay for the tickets and run them by tomorrow at the very latest. All other fares remain the same. Continental sends an addendum out almost every month. I hope that this is the last one we have dealing with flights to Ecuador. Sorry for the inconvenience. Please contact me ASAP if you would like to keep the original rates from Newark! Trevor Walton Executive Travel Counselor PanAmerican Travel Services 124 South 400 East Suite 250 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 Fax (801)364-4330 Phone (800)364-4359 E-mail: trevor@panam-tours.com Web: www.panam-tours.com 49 Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:54 AM To: 'Guayaquil Temple Trip List' Subject: Machu Picchu Trevor sent me information about tours to Machu Picchu. They are at http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/special/machupicchu.htm. If you don't have Web access, you can write to Trevor directly at trevor@panam-tours.com. Troy Young Ventana Corporation Senior Software Engineer troy@ventana.com EcuaGuay Alumni Site http://www.youngs.org/ecuaguay/ troy@youngs.org Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 1:35 PM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: Fares from TraveLand I finally got a reply back from TraveLand, and they say that they can get fares for around $600, depending on availability. I'm a little bit concerned that they took over a week just to send me an e-mail telling me to call them back for a quote. If someone would like to call them and see what they can do, feel free to do so, and let us know what comes up. You might be able to save a few bucks, but it looks like they can't come close to the $500 they mention on their website. Troy Troy Young From: Troy Young [troy@youngs.org] Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 5:12 AM To: Guayaquil Temple Trip List Subject: Fw: Angel Moroni fue colocado! Just got this: ----- Original Message ----- From: Esperanza Cabeza de Vaca Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 4:37 PM Subject: Angel Moroni fue colocado! Hola Troy, La estatua del Angel Moroni fue finalmente colocado en el templo ayer a las 2pm. Fue programado inicialmente para hacerlo en la mañana pero llovio durante toda la mañana. Los miembros del Comite del Templo decidieron no hacer publico este acontecimiento sin embargo unas 50 personas aproximadamente supieron del hecho y estuvimos desde las 9am en las afueras para ver la colocacion. A las 2pm las autoridades decidieron dejarnos entrar y pudimos verlo desde los jardines del templo. 50 El edificio es grande, hermoso y se puede ver la ciudad desde alli. El sitio es por demas hermoso. El acto fue sumamente emocionante, una hermosa experiencia espiritual para todos nosotros. La obra sera entregada por la compania constructora a la iglesia el 27 de Marzo, A partir de esa fecha, los obreros de la iglesia comenzaran a trabajar en el amoblamiento y adecuacion del edificio (alfombras, adornos, mobiliario y demas cosas) Se espera tener la casa abie